Thread subject: Motherwell Pool League :: New Poll

Posted by JB on 13 October 2009 08:28
#1

I'll soon be starting to make plans for the end of season dance/ presentation night.
There are a few possible venues available, but if you would prefer a venue which has not been listed in the poll, put it in this forum.

The plan is to make this a really good night, with live entertainment, food and possibly a disco afterwards as well as just the presentation. I'm really hopeful this will be an excellent night out not just for the players, but for their partners too.
Details of ticket prices/ availability will be put on the website in the next couple of weeks, but 1st thing is to secure a venue so we know the hall's capacity and what the costs will be.

Presentation night scheduled for Friday 4th June 2010

Edited by JB on 13 October 2009 08:33

Posted by foxy lad on 13 October 2009 08:35
#2

There's the Joker too JB - they have a function suite

Posted by Drover on 13 October 2009 09:55
#3

take out the Derby and add the joker as there are no functions in the Derby anymore

Posted by JB on 13 October 2009 10:20
#4

Think the Joker only holds about 80 people or so.....

Posted by JB on 13 October 2009 14:56
#5

A few votes for "Other" coming in...please post your suggestions on here.

Posted by scooter on 13 October 2009 15:15
#6

camby club

Posted by scottishslack on 13 October 2009 18:37
#7

Bar 147

Posted by JB on 13 October 2009 19:33
#8

Bar147 isnt suitable to the size and layout. It couldnt seat anymore than 50-60 in the back room and you cant close the pub down for a night for a one-off function. That's the reason they didnt sponsor the league for the 500 originally talked about

Posted by paddyoke on 13 October 2009 22:53
#9

how many people where there last year?smhmm

Posted by JB on 13 October 2009 23:13
#10

We didnt have one last year. In fact, we haven't had a good one in a number of years. That said, years ago they used to be a great night out and well attended. Hopefully we can get back to that and I would like to think we can get over 100 people there. Time will tell

Posted by maxi on 14 October 2009 11:06
#11

Having a presentation night etc sounds like a great idea, but my own personal opinion is it's usually a wasted effort with low attendance and only the guys who have won things turn up in full with other teams only being represented by the odd player.

It's the same all over, most leagues I have played in don't bother anymore purely for this reason. I think doing what Airdrie are doing this year is actually a decent idea, they are having a finals day where all the trophies and money is paid out and all the finals of the singles, doubles, three man etc are all played out.

If you do this by playing out these competitions from semis or even quarters on the one day it would get more people attending and be a good day out. Only a suggestion. Would get whoever sponsors the league a right good turn as well.

Posted by JB on 14 October 2009 11:30
#12

We've already discussed this at length and decided that we will give it a try this year. The problem in the past (and is still the case with some areas) is that these nights are geared towards the presentation and not much else.
What we are trying to do is give everyone a cheap night out with good entertainment and a bite to eat etc. Whilst the presentations, money will be handed out at the start of the night, it will still be enjoyable for anyone coming who isn't picking up any trophies and that's where the difference is.
If you can go for a Friday night out with the missus that is going to cost, say, 15 for the both of you and you will be getting a decent live act, fed and a free drink, I think thats good value for money...... if you're picking up a trophy or 2, thats just a bonus.

Like I said, we'll organise it, advertise it and make it as good a night as possible. If it is poorly attended or doesn't work then fine, at least we've tried and wont do it again.

Posted by the fuse on 14 October 2009 15:42
#13

Bridges is quite a big hall holds about 120 to140people seated and its very nice i know the owners and they run a good pub there would be stewards on the door aswell/

Posted by Teemas on 14 October 2009 15:49
#14

The Joker

Posted by JB on 14 October 2009 15:58
#15

the fuse wrote:
Bridges is quite a big hall holds about 120 to140people seated and its very nice i know the owners and they run a good pub there would be stewards on the door aswell/


Thats an option...

Posted by joker bar sam on 02 November 2009 11:30
#16

The joker bar lounge holds 140 seated & extra tables & seating can be added to take the capacity to 160,also there is a heated & covered smoking area. We can also run race nights ( FREE OF CHARGE TO MPL MEMBERS ).

Posted by JB on 02 November 2009 12:23
#17

I'll be making calls over the next couple of weeks to find out what the best deal is. Who's the best person to speak to at the joker?

Posted by foxy lad on 02 November 2009 16:00
#18

Speak to Sammy at the Joker - he owns it.

Posted by JB on 14 December 2009 00:42
#19

Just a wee bit of fun this time with Christmas coming up. If you've any other song suggestions, feel free to list them and I'll put them on the poll

Posted by Colin Stewart on 14 December 2009 12:14
#20

JB wrote:
Think the Joker only holds about 80 people or so.....

Posted by Colin Stewart on 14 December 2009 12:15
#21

JB wrote:
Think the Joker only holds about 80 people or so.....
The Joker holds 140 seated plus there is parking at the rear.

Posted by JB on 14 December 2009 12:33
#22

Colin Stewart wrote:
JB wrote:
Think the Joker only holds about 80 people or so.....
The Joker holds 140 seated plus there is parking at the rear.

I know.... this is an old post and I have since spoken to Sam. The Joker is being considered. All comes down to cost/ buffet costs drink prices etc,

Posted by JB on 15 January 2010 11:15
#23

Would appreciate your input on the new poll. If you have any further thoughts/ opinions, please post them on here.
Cheers

Posted by mrcool on 15 January 2010 16:04
#24

i voted dont care.....................basically i just wanna go into tourneys and try to win no matter if they r ranked or not

Posted by jas on 15 January 2010 16:22
#25

Scottish should be ranked and seeded IMO. Realistically though, people wouldn't go for that.

Posted by JB on 15 January 2010 16:36
#26

They are also talking about making IM5 open to all (ie including top16 etc)

Posted by jas on 15 January 2010 16:41
#27

Because the new category C tournament/s will take the place of that? Seems fair enough. It's just like adding an extra IM - making the rankings more accurate.

Edited by jas on 15 January 2010 16:42

Posted by jas on 15 January 2010 17:00
#28

jas wrote:
Scottish should be ranked and seeded IMO. Realistically though, people wouldn't go for that.


See, people always say the Scottish should be an open draw, and I wonder....why should it? Why shouldn't it be seeded and award more ranking points than an IM?

I look at it from a spectacle point of view:- If there were two players better than the rest of the field then would you rather they play in the first round or the final? I'd rather have a 8-7 final than have a guy beat his biggest competitor 6-5 in the first round and then win the rest of the games, hardly dropping a frame. Comparing it to snooker, I'd rather see O'Sullivan against Higgins in the final rather than in the first round.

From a player's point of view :- You aren't going to do anything in the tournament anyway unless you are playing very well. It's not as if you are going to get lucky draws all the way through - you will need to beat top players at some point. So if, as an unranked player, it means you come up against a Holtz or Ross or Gillespie straight away then you can still win that game and take their place in the draw. So you can still progress as a lesser player if you deserve to.

Another thing is that unseeded draws give the lesser player a chance of a terrible draw just as it does a good draw. You could draw the top 4 players in one section of the draw, just as you could land a section with no-one who has ever played in a tournament before.

Edited by jas on 15 January 2010 17:05

Posted by Pat Holtz on 16 January 2010 23:13
#29

This suggestion suits Glasgow - hence the reason it was suggested by Renzie.

Having Bossman and Antz in their Scottish qualifying has made it more difficult for them - simple.

They want their cake and eat it...............making their Super 11s & 15s team stronger whilst at the same time protecting their IM ranking by suggestion the Scottish is non ranking.

If this goes through then the Super 11s & 15s will get silly with even more super teams made up as effectively the Top 16 players could all play under the one IM area.....ie no qualification needed.

Jas, the open draws suits the lesser players, you only have to compare the MJ Hire events vs the IM to see this.

The Scottish gives all entrants an equal chance, it's the luck of the draw.

I have already qualifed for this years event being the defending champion and thus I have already earned ranking points whereas all others have not. So this suggestion would put me at a disadvantage but I guess that would not bother anyone bar me.

Every rep and league member needs to see the bigger picture here......they are trying to dangle the carrot of IM5 being ranked in exchange for the Scottish being excluded..........all to make it simple for them to increase the number of top players through their area.

Why do you think the Scottish entry is so much higher than the IM........cause the ordinary guy has a better chance to qualify and go further at the finals.

Jas - I do agree that the Scottish should be ranked and have more points than an IM but the others won't agree to this due to harder qualifying areas.........hence the reason for this suggestion.

Jas - what do you think it should be?

Let's make one thing very clear here......the IM rankings are never going to be accurate due to the hard / easy qualifying areas........and as you recently found out......the rankings mean jack anyway.......so why such a fuss?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Edited by Pat Holtz on 16 January 2010 23:42

Posted by jas on 17 January 2010 07:23
#30

Pat Holtz wrote:

Jas - I do agree that the Scottish should be ranked and have more points than an IM but the others won't agree to this due to harder qualifying areas.........hence the reason for this suggestion.

Jas - what do you think it should be?


I'd seed and rank every IM Pat. I'd also seed and rank the Scottish and award 50% more ranking points. It's our premier event and I think that any ranking should take account of that. I think snooker is a decent ranking model, to be honest, and the Scottish Singles should be our "World Championship".

That's just what I think is fairest. It wouldn't particularly benefit me and, like I said, whether it's seeded or open, a lesser player like myself isn't going to do anything in the tournament without playing a top player at some point. So, personally, it makes no odds. I don't care about my ranking and I doubt I ever would unless I was top 32. As a spectacle I want to see the top seeds kept apart until the latter rounds, that's all.Don't think we'll ever get round the problem of harder/easier qualifying areas without having all qualifiers centralised (and that just isn't feasible).

My short answer to the poll would be yes, to the first question, and no, to the second. It's a badly posed question as they are both mutually excusive, but I answered "no" regardless, assuming it was a case of both changing or things remaining as they are. (Bit long-winded but you know what I mean....)

Edited by jas on 18 January 2010 16:12

Posted by Pat Holtz on 17 January 2010 22:43
#31

Any more views on the new poll?

I would be particilarly interested to hear from the 4 who voted "yes" to the change.......

Posted by Drover on 17 January 2010 23:35
#32

i miss read the question when i never had my contacts in and voted for yes but with my contacts in i voted for no on the Uddy sitesmblush

Posted by Cannonball on 18 January 2010 14:07
#33

Pat Holtz wrote:
Any more views on the new poll?

I would be particilarly interested to hear from the 4 who voted "yes" to the change.......


Who were the 4 ?

Posted by dosser on 18 January 2010 14:19
#34

My reasoning for voting yes was pretty straight forward actually..
to provide a national rank we have the IM (all 5 ranked IMO) the Scottish I feel should be a seperate entity, its the most, or should be the most prestigious event on the calander and I think having it ranked just takes away from the glory and spectacle of it. the IM is becoming a debate and embroiled in too many arguments, our premier singles event should not be involved in such politics

Play the IM for ranking points and prize money.

Play the Scottish for the glory and the title.

smscared

Posted by jas on 18 January 2010 15:27
#35

Then you could have a Scottish champion who isn't even ranked amongst the best players in Scotland. Don't think I was in the top hundred when I made the final.

I think results in the premier tournament should be reflected in the rankings. Especially if international teams are to be picked from that (seperate argument there - I think they should, without prejudice).

Posted by dosser on 18 January 2010 15:42
#36

isnt that the romance of the scottish singles? the 100/1 outsider? the underdog upsetting all the odds?

the premier ranking tourament is still the IM, where national teams can be picked from... a case can still be made for allowing the scottish winner an international place, dont mean it has to be ranked though.

it should be a unranked totally open draw, then the winner can truley call themselves the countries champion, won without the aid or a high rank or seed.

afterall, to be the best you have to beat the best!

Edited by dosser on 18 January 2010 15:43

Posted by jas on 18 January 2010 15:44
#37

But then you'd have the next IM after the Scottish and the Scottish Champion wouldn't even be seeded in the draw when he would be one of the favourites in the tournament on current form.

I think it should be a ranked and seeded draw, then the winner can truly call themselves the country's champion:- won without the aid of a lucky draw (not facing one of the country's top players).

After all, to be the best you have to beat the best. ;)

Edited by jas on 18 January 2010 16:10

Posted by dosser on 18 January 2010 15:51
#38

;)

Posted by Bash on 18 January 2010 15:52
#39

No Stevie the romance of the Scottish Singles in recent years has been that you can lose in a local qualifier and still win the whole event......

Class that, eh?

Posted by dosser on 18 January 2010 15:55
#40

wheres my chair again......

ahhh..smscared

Posted by JB on 18 January 2010 16:25
#41

I think it should be non-seeded and ranked (+3 or 4pts on top of that normally assigned to an IM)

Might make the top 16 a bit more interesting and gives lower ranked players a real chance of picking up some extra points.

Posted by Pat Holtz on 18 January 2010 22:19
#42

Cheers for some input here guys.

Stevie why would ranking points for the Scottish take away the glory of having the title?

I'm sure I can speak for all the previous champions and tell you this is not the case........everyone is proud to be the Scottish Champion and gain valuable ranking points in doing so.

It has always been unseeded with open draws, since day one so your comment about winning it with the aid of seeding is false.

I will leave the part you said about "beating the best" as Jas has already covered this flaw.

I don't think for one second that the most important event in our calendar should not carry ranking points and like JB, I think it should carry higher points than the IM.

Do you think any suggestion around the Scottish should be brought in immediately for 2010 that impacts one person or should it wait to the following season 2011 whereby everyone knows the full impact?

I think the romance and attraction of the Scottish is the open draw format and the chance to gain valuable ranking points for the lower ranked players, hence the main reason for such high entries.

Stevie, I have two further questions for you.....
1) Apart from the IM rankings, what do you think about the loss of IM5 to the lower ranked players (ie. giving someone else a chance to win)?

and 2) what about the effect this could have on the Super 11s and Super 15s events with the top 16 not required to qualify?

Cheers for the input. *tup*

Posted by knowledge on 20 January 2010 18:46
#43

Bash wrote:
No Stevie the romance of the Scottish Singles in recent years has been that you can lose in a local qualifier and still win the whole event......

Class that, eh?


About sums it all up!

Posted by knowledge on 20 January 2010 18:52
#44

Am not sure if a ranking system should contain an unseeded event that carries more points than the seeded ones.

I don't see the point of all this talk about unseeded draws and romance, at the end of the day does it help the event to have a guy in the quarters by virtue of an amazing draw and then getting pumped by the first good player he meets?

Surely for the premier event in the calendar you would ideally like the best field you can get in the quarters.

In my opinion, whilst the most prestigious event on the calendar is unquestionably the Scottish, the hardest to win is the MJ grand final, there is no hiding place via qualifying areas or in unseeded draws just tough and progressively tougher matches all the way through.

Posted by Pat Holtz on 21 January 2010 01:34
#45

I agree John, the Scottish should be fully seeded and have additional ranking points becuase it is the premier event......similar to the snooker WC.

This is what Renzie should have suggested (and has done in the past), not the current proposal.

Posted by Bash on 21 January 2010 09:57
#46

I think if you fully seeded the draw, you may lose a number of entries, as everyone would be aware that they'd have to beat the best players to qualify for the finals.

I think a good few people enter just now - that don't play IM - as they have a chance of an open draw.

Posted by Pat Holtz on 21 January 2010 20:00
#47

I agree that the reason for the high entry is down to players believing they have more chance to qualify from an open draw.

If they did go down the route of seeding then that would affect entries IMO.

I mean, who else apart from Renzie has complained about the current set up?

So should the whole SPA membership bend over just to suit a handful of folk who clamber to win team events with team G?

Posted by Cannonball on 21 January 2010 23:52
#48

Pat Holtz wrote:
I agree that the reason for the high entry is down to players believing they have more chance to qualify from an open draw.

If they did go down the route of seeding then that would affect entries IMO.

I mean, who else apart from Renzie has complained about the current set up?

So should the whole SPA membership bend over just to suit a handful of folk who clamber to win team events with team G?


How many team events have Team G won with Bossman and Antz,
Are you scared ? iS this the reason you have pulled out of the 11s,because YOU think that you have no chance,thanks for the information oh superior 1 ,i am sure your Uddy teammates will be pleased to hear the REAL reason

Edited by Cannonball on 22 January 2010 01:00

Posted by JB on 04 March 2010 10:57
#49

I'm about to book the entertainment for the end of season bash (being held in the Joker on 4th June).

I have 2 decent acts to choose from, but I need to book them in the next couple of days. I need to know if its going to be more or less all players or if people will be taking their wives/ girlfriends to make sure the entertainment choice is as good as it can be. Please use the Poll on the right to let me know if you're bringing someone with you.

This should be a really good night out, where the presentation itself will only take 1/2 hour or so we will be laying on an excellent buffet, then there's the entertainment and good drink prices. There are a couple of other wee surprises lined up to help make this the best end of season night MDPL has seen in years. I hope we get a great turnout.

Edited by JB on 05 March 2010 12:55

Posted by JB on 06 March 2010 14:20
#50

to top

Posted by foxy lad on 09 March 2010 10:29
#51

We have a new poll to vote on!

Posted by jas on 09 March 2010 10:52
#52

Is it possible to have a tick or a cross next to each post and then moderators can look at the ones which accrue a big negative rating, and then ban the person in question for a few weeks?

You know the type of thing you get in Youtube comments?

Posted by JB on 09 March 2010 11:06
#53

I'll have a look and see what I can come up with

Posted by JB on 09 March 2010 13:21
#54

I quite often like to play a game with the polls on the website. I like to try and guess who would vote which way. As superadmin I get to see who has voted for what when the poll closes.
So for a wee fun competition, who would like to guess who has voted yes or no to the current question. I'll not divulge who voted for what as the vote should be private. What I will do is give you a score (eg 6/11 right). What do you reckon? fancy giving it a try?

Posted by jas on 09 March 2010 14:19
#55

You can disclose my vote JB (mainly cos I can't remember which way I voted myself).

I'll guess you are a 'yes' currently?

Edited by jas on 09 March 2010 14:24

Posted by jas on 09 March 2010 14:28
#56

Yes
-----
JB
Dosser
Foxy Lady
Murphy
Miamivice
Kevibhoy


No
---
Knowledge
Bash
Cannonball
Angus
Miniwielder
Jas (big guess - can't even remember if I voted)



I'll take the holiday prize please.

Posted by JB on 09 March 2010 14:41
#57

So far, you're the winner Jim. 1st prize is a weekend break for 1 at Haven Ayr, to be taken anytime between now and 18th March 2010

Posted by jas on 09 March 2010 14:42
#58

Quality. My favourite vacation. How many did I get?

Posted by JB on 09 March 2010 15:58
#59

Dont know yet, I can only see it when I close the poll.

Posted by dosser on 09 March 2010 16:58
#60

well all i need to do is this....

Yes
-----
JB
Foxy Lady
Murphy
Miamivice
Kevibhoy


No
---
Dosser
Knowledge
Bash
Cannonball
Angus
Miniwielder
Jas (big guess - can't even remember if I voted)

and i know im in the lead!!

Posted by dosser on 09 March 2010 17:09
#61

and il tell you why i voted no.

there are 250-270 affiliated members of the MDPL, the majority of those who use the webite use it sensible for the purpose it was created for.

I dont think its fair that the personal slanging matches of a handful of those who cant conduct themselves properly should ruin it for all those who can.

As i keep saying, ppl seem to forget there are a lot more teams and players to the league than Bar147 and the Derby Inn.

Posted by JB on 10 March 2010 01:27
#62

jas wrote:
Is it possible to have a tick or a cross next to each post and then moderators can look at the ones which accrue a big negative rating, and then ban the person in question for a few weeks?

You know the type of thing you get in Youtube comments?


Does that work for you Jim? (you just have to click on the icon to use it)

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 01:35
#63

how do you collate the info once an icon has been selected JB ??

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 01:36
#64

i see it now... the icons show on the left when you refresh the page...

sweet smclap

Posted by JB on 10 March 2010 01:39
#65

when you mouse over an icon in the rating, it will tell you how many times a post has been (for example) agreed with and who agreed. That kind of thing. If a post has a negative rating more than 1 or 2, then there's probably something not right with it.

ps, I didnt appreciate you saying my post was unnecessary/ bad.. but I'll put it down to practice;)

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 01:45
#66

i made up for it afterwards jb.... just getting the hang of it. smcomfort

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 01:46
#67

can all users take part i this? or just if u have admin access

Posted by JB on 10 March 2010 01:47
#68

everyone

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 01:48
#69

interesting....

Posted by jas on 10 March 2010 09:17
#70

That's quality JB. Now someone has to say something contraversial that we can take offence to.

Posted by Bash on 10 March 2010 09:27
#71

I'll see what I can do..............

Posted by foxy lad on 10 March 2010 09:45
#72

Why wait Jas I've been going through all the old posts that I took exception to in the first place!!!!!

It's actually very therapeutic

smeeek

Posted by jas on 10 March 2010 10:07
#73

Good idea. I'll try not to go over the score though as I think I was a moderator once on the scottishpool site and only lasted 2 or 3 days because I ended up deleting half the posts!!!!!

I'll just mark down any posts I see which are belittling people, use offensive terms, stirring/rumour-mongering, that kind of thing.

It'll be interesting to see how this works. It's a very good idea to show who voted for which post as well so that the people who made the posts can maybe have a think about they've said and how it has been taken.

MDPL leading the way.....

Posted by JB on 10 March 2010 10:13
#74

Would just like to say to say thanks to everyone who has PM'd me/ texted me over the last couple of days. Its given me something to think about. By way of a thanks, I've just increased all the PM mailboxes up to 100 capacity...... or at least thats my excuse, as I was fed up deleting stuff every day just to keep the thing open.

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 10:44
#75

hopefully it keeps you on the commitee JB, you can take minutes at the next meeting.

oh.. and..

.. work out the doubles venues
.. and qualifiers...
.. do the actual draw..
.. colect teams sheets..
.. reschedule 5 man QF if app.
.. reschedule cons cup 2nd leg..
.. reschedule 147B / 32 Club as apparently its the only course of action open to the commitee without being called bias.
.. reschedule the remainder of the 147B / Cleland A match from the power cut.

il pm anything else i think of.....*tup*

Posted by JB on 10 March 2010 10:56
#76

Just noticed something really cool on the ratings system, so now, if you click on a members name beside their post or in the members list, it also shows a list of ratings given and received by each person and who the author/ recipient was....

Nice.

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 10:59
#77

thanks gus... did u actually read my post? or just see my name.... some random text and go straight for the big red 'X' ?

Posted by JB on 10 March 2010 11:03
#78

Pots and kettles Stevie...... you've given out 3 ratings and Ive got the good, the bad and the ugly from you!

Cheers muckersmannoy

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 11:08
#79

nothing personal jb... the 'good' and the 'thanks' were deliberate... the 'bad post' was just a wee practise call it.

Posted by Angus on 10 March 2010 11:09
#80

DOSSER wrote:
thanks gus... did u actually read my post? or just see my name.... some random text and go straight for the big red 'X' ?


I did read your post

however

.. reschedule 147B / 32 Club as apparently its the only course of action open to the commitee without being called bias.

that part is not creating harmony amongst the members, hope you see where im coming from.

maybe you should think about how that looks to some.

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 12:41
#81

lol..

off the accusations, arguing, name calling etc etc thats went on over 2/3 threads the past few days funny its how its a random post of mine thats singled out as not creating harmony - oh, and Im the one who has to take a look at how my posts look to some..

somthings will never change.

Posted by dosser on 10 March 2010 12:52
#82

Angus wrote:

Like i just told you by PM.. I dont like you.


and im aggrivating ????

Posted by foxy lad on 10 March 2010 13:05
#83

Right boys ............ stop it now!!!!!!!!!!!

this is a public forum and we're now all trying to play nicely!!!!

If you want to slag each other ......... take it somewhere private please!

smpissed

Posted by Angus on 10 March 2010 13:07
#84

Sorry Helen.....you wont read another word from me on this thread.

Posted by foxy lad on 10 March 2010 13:09
#85

LOL thats cos you'll go and start a new one Angus!!!!


Posted by Angus on 10 March 2010 13:20
#86

LOL